Revisiting Spirituality and Agnosticism at Camp

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[0:00] [Music]
[0:00] hey everyone so I've been making lots of
[0:02] videos today because I had a very
[0:04] adventurous day um I have to get back to
[0:07] my camper before I can compile all of
[0:09] that and share it with you but there's
[0:11] one
[0:12] topic I mean I guess I just want to R
[0:16] everybody up because there'd be no other
[0:18] reason to talk about this right um but I
[0:21] actually do have another reason for it
[0:23] and I'm going to get into that
[0:26] so let's talk about religion for a
[0:29] minute
[0:31] spirituality
[0:33] so when I was younger I considered
[0:37] myself a very spiritual person like you
[0:39] know young adult years and all that I
[0:42] was into all kinds of stuff I was into
[0:44] astrology
[0:46] numerology
[0:48] um lots of stuff right when I was a kid
[0:53] I was raised in a Christian Church you
[0:56] know um well you know my parents were
[1:00] not like we didn't go to church every
[1:03] week or anything like that I had an
[1:04] interest in it I can remember times
[1:06] where I actually had them take me to
[1:08] church even though they didn't go I
[1:11] don't know why I actually liked it I
[1:13] liked church for a while so that was me
[1:17] as a kid and
[1:20] then say I don't want to offend anyone
[1:23] but you have to understand I don't like
[1:24] organized religion at all I still don't
[1:27] I probably I doubt that I ever will I
[1:32] just there are a lot of reasons why I
[1:35] don't I'm trying not to offend anybody
[1:37] here I do absolutely respect your right
[1:41] to practice religion I don't want you to
[1:44] think I don't because I do I truly
[1:46] do um I just don't like it around me
[1:50] like if it makes me think of my Aunt
[1:53] Brenda who's like the most religious
[1:55] fanatic I have ever known in my life she
[1:57] calls herself a Christian and I just
[1:58] think she's weird and
[2:01] crazy um and also you know I'm gay and
[2:06] I'm older
[2:08] I I know how most
[2:12] Christians well most religions most
[2:15] religions treated people like me I mean
[2:18] I grew up internalizing all of that and
[2:20] it made me hate myself I grew up with
[2:23] internalized homophobia that I still
[2:25] deal with to this day an organized
[2:28] religion is wise a big part of
[2:31] why so that was not for me but I did
[2:35] consider you know I I believed in a God
[2:38] and I used to pray to that God and all
[2:43] of
[2:44] that was very spiritual for most of my
[2:47] life and then I don't know what happened
[2:50] I'm not sure why it happened I'm a very
[2:52] analytical person and I just got to the
[2:55] point where I became truly agnostic I
[2:58] stopped believing in astrology ology and
[3:00] numerology and all those things and I
[3:04] just I came to the conclusion that
[3:07] there's no way to
[3:09] know with any certainty if or if there
[3:13] isn't a
[3:14] God I mean that's just how can we ever
[3:18] know so that's that's what it means to
[3:20] be agnostic it means you you know you
[3:22] it's not like being an
[3:25] atheist which there's nothing wrong with
[3:27] that either seriously it's just that's
[3:30] how I would label myself as an
[3:33] agnostic
[3:35] um but there is like and I can't tell
[3:39] you if this is just
[3:41] from
[3:43] how we're raised you know that our
[3:45] society and just the thoughts that get
[3:48] put into our head as children and things
[3:50] like that um it's really hard for me to
[3:53] know I think I think about this stuff
[3:55] but I've always wondered
[3:57] if well lately
[4:00] well I don't know how to say this part
[4:02] it's difficult it's almost like there's
[4:06] this part of our brains
[4:10] that never at least mine never
[4:15] truly love to go of the belief of
[4:19] God like it's a name right like it's a
[4:21] name but I don't know if that it's just
[4:24] some kind of programming from childhood
[4:26] or something like
[4:28] that um
[4:30] um so I consider that when I think
[4:34] about when I'm thinking about this topic
[4:37] and lately you know being in my camp or
[4:41] but doing everything I've done it seems
[4:44] to be
[4:45] resurfacing like last night I was just
[4:49] sitting outside and I was looking around
[4:52] and I was like there's just so much
[4:54] there's so much life in nature it's like
[4:56] somebody had to create that right like
[4:58] it's there
[5:00] we'll truly never know at least I you
[5:02] know that's my view on
[5:04] that but it just has seemed
[5:07] to just has been on my mind a lot lately
[5:10] and I don't know where that's going to
[5:11] take me so that's why I'm sharing
[5:13] this it's like I'm a little bit more
[5:16] open-minded I will never be open to
[5:18] religion and if it gets brought up in my
[5:20] comments I swear to God I will have a
[5:23] problem with that I the few times that I
[5:27] have so far like
[5:30] those people are not on my channel
[5:32] anymore I
[5:34] genuinely the first people I came out to
[5:37] was a
[5:37] church and their their reaction was not
[5:41] good the most vitri all I see online
[5:44] comes from religious people I just am
[5:47] not a fan and I never will be I truly
[5:50] won't that doesn't mean I'm not open to
[5:54] like exploring different ideas and
[5:57] lately some stuff that's been coming
[5:59] across my feet on YouTube is included
[6:01] like this is what got me thinking about
[6:03] it um herbs and oh I forget what is it
[6:08] called herbology I think there's another
[6:11] term for it but anyways that's been
[6:13] coming across my feet lately and I've
[6:15] noticed I'm kind of interested like I
[6:17] used
[6:18] to I used to kind of be into that and
[6:20] then I somewhere in my brain I'm like
[6:22] that's a pseudo science like astrology
[6:24] like my brain just went there and I felt
[6:27] that way about everything for a very
[6:29] long time and now it's like
[6:34] suddenly I'm looking at these things
[6:37] again and I'm wondering
[6:39] if I'm just exploring the topic again
[6:42] like like I have my whole life and I I'm
[6:45] just open-minded enough that I I changed
[6:48] my mind
[6:50] if I really don't know what what causes
[6:53] my mind to change but it's it's changed
[6:55] many times you know on this subject over
[6:57] the years so
[7:00] I'm just thinking because of my new life
[7:03] and the
[7:05] way that I'm
[7:07] changing and the things I'm experiencing
[7:10] it just feels like there might be some
[7:13] of that in my future and I don't know I
[7:16] don't know what it might not be anything
[7:19] it's just something that I just wanted
[7:21] you guys to know I've been thinking
[7:23] about cuz I was sitting outside last
[7:25] night and it was
[7:27] like I just
[7:32] I'm always searching just like just like
[7:35] everybody I
[7:36] think
[7:40] and I hope that I truly hope that I find
[7:43] whatever it is I'm seeking cuz I know I
[7:45] haven't founding cuz I don't feel
[7:48] fulfilled and I want to just like
[7:50] everybody else
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Recording Empty Campground at Siltcoos
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Recording a 6 AM Walk at the Campsite
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7:53
Revisiting Spirituality and Agnosticism at Camp
May 6, 2024
40:00
Scouting Lake Cumberland, Visiting Family and Cats
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11:01
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PUBLIC
May 6, 2024 rswfire PUBLISHED
Temp 0.20
Density 0.10
Energetic Quality
deliberate, unhurried openness with a hard boundary edge
Journey Phase
re-opening a previously closed inquiry
Directional Vector
toward re-examined metaphysics, away from organized religion
Narrative

The day had already been long by the time rswfire turned the camera on himself for this one. He had been recording all day — an adventurous day, he called it, footage stacking up across the hours of movement outdoors — and none of it could go anywhere yet. The compile happened at the camper, and he was not at the camper. So he stood where he was, in the dunes field, and set the rest of the day's work aside to say a thing that had nothing to do with the day's work. He named the reason plainly: there would be no point raising this topic except to stir people up, and he had another reason, and he was going to get to it.

He began where the sequence began. As a kid he had been raised around a Christian church, though his parents were not the ones driving it — they did not go every week, did not go much at all, and it was he who asked to be taken. He liked it, he said. He could not say why. Then the young-adult years, and a wider field: astrology, numerology, all kinds of stuff. He believed in a God then. He prayed to that God. He described himself, for most of his life, as a very spiritual person.

Then the turn, which he narrated without being able to date it or explain it. He is analytical, he said, and at some point the analysis arrived somewhere and stayed: there is no way to know, with any certainty, whether or not there is a God. He was careful about the word for it. Agnostic, not atheist — and he stopped to say there was nothing wrong with atheism either — because the position was not a belief about God's absence but a statement about the limits of knowing. How could we ever know. Astrology went. Numerology went. Everything in that category went, filed under pseudoscience by a brain that, he said, just went there.

Then came the part he flagged as hard to say, and said anyway. Some part of his brain — he specified his own, not everyone's — never truly let go of the belief in God. He landed on the shape of what remained: it's a name. Not a doctrine, not a cosmology. A name. And he could not tell whether that was residue of childhood programming, of society, of the thoughts placed in children's heads, and he said so rather than resolving it.

The boundary went down hard and separately. He does not like organized religion. He does not expect he ever will. He said it twice over that he respects the right of others to practice, that he truly does — and that he does not want it near him. He gave the reasons in order: his Aunt Brenda, the most religious fanatic he has ever known. That he is gay and older and knows how most religions treated people like him. That he grew up internalizing all of it, that it made him hate himself, that the internalized homophobia is something he states he still deals with, and that organized religion is a large part of why. That the first people he came out to were a church, and their reaction was not good. That the most vitriolic material he encounters online comes from religious people. And then the policy, stated as policy rather than argument: if it comes up in his comments he will have a problem with it, and the few who have tried are no longer on his channel.

What reopened the terrain was not an argument either. It was the night before. He had been sitting outside at the camper, looking around, and the dunes were dense with it — so much life in nature, he said, like somebody had to have created that. And separately, herbalism had begun surfacing in his YouTube feed, the word half-escaping him mid-sentence, a subject he used to be into before his brain filed it beside astrology. He noticed he was interested again. He offered no conclusion about any of it. He said he is a little more open-minded, that he does not know what changes his mind but that it has changed many times on this subject over the years, that something about the new life and what he is experiencing makes him think there may be some of this in his future. It might not be anything. He wanted them to know he had been thinking about it because he had been sitting outside last night. He is always searching, he said — like everybody, he thinks — and he hopes he finds whatever it is he is seeking, because he knows he has not found it yet.

Tags

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Summary

rswfire records a video from camp, noting he has filmed multiple videos during an adventurous day and will compile them once back at his camper. He opens a standalone topic: religion and spirituality.

He describes his own timeline on the subject:

  • As a child, raised around a Christian church his parents did not regularly attend; he states he asked to be taken and liked it for a period.
  • As a young adult, he identified as spiritual and engaged astrology, numerology, and related systems, and states he believed in and prayed to a God.
  • Later, describing himself as a very analytical person, he shifted to agnostic, concluding there is no way to know with certainty whether a God exists, and stopped believing in astrology and numerology.

He states clearly that he does not like organized religion and does not expect that to change, while affirming he respects others' right to practice. He gives his reasons: his aunt Brenda's fanaticism; being gay and older; growing up internalizing homophobia that he states he still deals with; the first people he came out to were a church, and their reaction was not good; and the vitriol he sees online coming from religious sources. He states he will not permit religion to be raised in his comments and has removed people who did.

He notes the topic is resurfacing — sitting outside the previous night observing the amount of life in nature — and that herbalism content appearing in his YouTube feed has renewed his interest in material he had previously filed as pseudoscience. He frames this as open-mindedness and repeated position change over the years, possibly connected to his new life, and states he is still searching and does not feel fulfilled.

Environment

Recorded on video during a day of extended outdoor movement, spoken away from his camper — he states he must return to it before he can compile and upload the rest of the day's footage. The setting is the Oregon coastal dunes field where he lives full-time in an RV.

The reference frame extends to the previous night: sitting outside at the camper, observing the surrounding density of plant and animal life. The delivery channel is YouTube, a public transmission surface where he also moderates the comment field directly.

Substrate

rswfire holds two separable structures that most frames collapse into one: institutional religion, which he refuses categorically and permanently, and open metaphysical inquiry, which he states is reopening. The architecture is epistemic — agnosticism defined as a limit on what can be known rather than a belief position, with the boundary against religion enforced as a moderation policy rather than an argument. What is being built is permission to revisit terrain he previously closed off as pseudoscience; what is being dissolved is the assumption that his earlier analytical foreclosure was final.

Actions

Performed

  • •stating a position on religion and spirituality
  • •distinguishing agnostic from atheist
  • •naming internalized homophobia and its source
  • •setting an explicit comment-section boundary
  • •noting renewed interest in herbalism
  • •stating he does not feel fulfilled

Referenced

  • •recorded multiple videos across the day
  • •attended church as a child by his own request
  • •practiced astrology and numerology in young adulthood
  • •prayed to a God
  • •came out to a church as the first disclosure
  • •arrived at an agnostic position
  • •classified astrology and similar systems as pseudoscience
  • •removed commenters who raised religion on his channel
  • •sat outside the camper the previous night observing nature
  • •encountered herbalism content in his YouTube feed

Planned

  • •return to the camper
  • •compile and share the day's footage
  • •continue exploring these ideas without predetermined outcome

Entities

beings
rswfire — Speaker; states his positions on religion, agnosticism, and renewed metaphysical interest
Aunt Brenda — Relative he describes as the most religious fanatic he has known; named as a reference point for his distance from organized religion
places
the camper — His residence; the site of the previous night's observation and the compile point for the day's footage
systems
YouTube — Transmission and moderation surface; also the algorithmic feed surfacing herbalism content
Christian Church — Institution of his childhood and the site of his first coming out
concepts
agnosticism — His stated self-label, defined as the position that certainty about God is unavailable
astrology — Former practice, later classified as pseudoscience
numerology — Former practice, abandoned alongside astrology
herbalism — Domain resurfacing through his feed; the concrete trigger for the reopened inquiry
internalized homophobia — Named condition he states he still deals with, attributed in large part to organized religion

Symbolic Elements

Represented archetypes or recurring motifs.

threshold
return
the name
nature as evidence
church
seed / herb
night sitting
boundary line

Ontological States

Expressed modes of being or awareness.

sovereign (sets and enforces the terms of engagement on his own transmission channel)
transitional (an epistemic position previously settled is stated as moving again)
embedded (the reopening is attributed directly to the dunes environment and the new living structure)
open-ended (holds the question without requiring an answer; states he does not know where it goes)

Engaged Subsystems

Architecture engaged in this transmission.

cognitive (analytical parsing of belief, knowability, and the agnostic/atheist distinction)
biographical (childhood church, young-adult practices, coming out, present position tracked as a sequence)
ethical (explicit respect for others' right to practice held alongside categorical personal refusal)
boundary-enforcement (comment moderation stated as policy, not argument)
ecological (observation of density of life in the dunes as the input that reopened the question)
media-production (day's footage, compile workflow, channel management)

Dominant Language

Core motifs or linguistic fields.

organized religion
agnostic
there's no way to know
open-minded
programming from childhood
so much life in nature
always searching
Narrative

The day had already been long by the time rswfire turned the camera on himself for this one. He had been recording all day — an adventurous day, he called it, footage stacking up across the hours of movement outdoors — and none of it could go anywhere yet. The compile happened at the camper, and he was not at the camper. So he stood where he was, in the dunes field, and set the rest of the day's work aside to say a thing that had nothing to do with the day's work. He named the reason plainly: there would be no point raising this topic except to stir people up, and he had another reason, and he was going to get to it.

He began where the sequence began. As a kid he had been raised around a Christian church, though his parents were not the ones driving it — they did not go every week, did not go much at all, and it was he who asked to be taken. He liked it, he said. He could not say why. Then the young-adult years, and a wider field: astrology, numerology, all kinds of stuff. He believed in a God then. He prayed to that God. He described himself, for most of his life, as a very spiritual person.

Then the turn, which he narrated without being able to date it or explain it. He is analytical, he said, and at some point the analysis arrived somewhere and stayed: there is no way to know, with any certainty, whether or not there is a God. He was careful about the word for it. Agnostic, not atheist — and he stopped to say there was nothing wrong with atheism either — because the position was not a belief about God's absence but a statement about the limits of knowing. How could we ever know. Astrology went. Numerology went. Everything in that category went, filed under pseudoscience by a brain that, he said, just went there.

Then came the part he flagged as hard to say, and said anyway. Some part of his brain — he specified his own, not everyone's — never truly let go of the belief in God. He landed on the shape of what remained: it's a name. Not a doctrine, not a cosmology. A name. And he could not tell whether that was residue of childhood programming, of society, of the thoughts placed in children's heads, and he said so rather than resolving it.

The boundary went down hard and separately. He does not like organized religion. He does not expect he ever will. He said it twice over that he respects the right of others to practice, that he truly does — and that he does not want it near him. He gave the reasons in order: his Aunt Brenda, the most religious fanatic he has ever known. That he is gay and older and knows how most religions treated people like him. That he grew up internalizing all of it, that it made him hate himself, that the internalized homophobia is something he states he still deals with, and that organized religion is a large part of why. That the first people he came out to were a church, and their reaction was not good. That the most vitriolic material he encounters online comes from religious people. And then the policy, stated as policy rather than argument: if it comes up in his comments he will have a problem with it, and the few who have tried are no longer on his channel.

What reopened the terrain was not an argument either. It was the night before. He had been sitting outside at the camper, looking around, and the dunes were dense with it — so much life in nature, he said, like somebody had to have created that. And separately, herbalism had begun surfacing in his YouTube feed, the word half-escaping him mid-sentence, a subject he used to be into before his brain filed it beside astrology. He noticed he was interested again. He offered no conclusion about any of it. He said he is a little more open-minded, that he does not know what changes his mind but that it has changed many times on this subject over the years, that something about the new life and what he is experiencing makes him think there may be some of this in his future. It might not be anything. He wanted them to know he had been thinking about it because he had been sitting outside last night. He is always searching, he said — like everybody, he thinks — and he hopes he finds whatever it is he is seeking, because he knows he has not found it yet.

Mirror

You are standing away from the camper, mid-day, with footage stacked and uncompiled behind you. You state you must get back before you can share the rest. You choose, in that gap, to record something that has no production reason to exist — you name the absence of reason yourself, then say you have one anyway. The day's adventure is not what you stop to transmit. This is.

You hold two structures apart and keep them apart for the length of the transmission. One is organized religion, which you refuse categorically: you state you don't like it, you doubt you ever will, you say you will never be open to it. You name the reasons — an aunt you describe as a fanatic, the church you first came out to and their reaction, the vitriol you observe online, the internalized homophobia you state you grew up with and still deal with. Alongside that refusal you state, twice, that you respect others' right to practice. The other structure is the question of what is or is not there, which you describe as reopening. You do not merge these. You do not let the first close the second.

Your boundary is stated as enforcement, not argument. You say if religion comes up in your comments you will have a problem with it, and you report that the few people who have done so are no longer on your channel. That is a past tense with a policy attached. You are not debating anyone. You are describing what happens on a surface you control.

The cognitive subsystem is running the whole time. You define agnostic against atheist, locate it as a limit on knowability rather than a position on belief, and hold the distinction cleanly. You track your own sequence: church as a child by your own request, astrology and numerology as a young adult, a God you prayed to, then a shift you state you cannot account for — "I don't know what happened, I'm not sure why it happened." You do the same parsing on the thing currently moving: herbalism crossing your feed, your own earlier filing of it as pseudoscience, your noticing that the filing has loosened. You flag the possibility that the persistence of the name God is childhood programming, and you leave that flagged rather than settled.

The input you name is environmental and specific: sitting outside the camper the night before, looking around, registering the density of life. You attribute the reopening to the new living structure and to what you are experiencing in it. You state the inference — somebody had to create that — and immediately hold it inside the same limit you set earlier: we'll truly never know.

What is absent is a conclusion. You do not resolve the question, request an answer, or ask anyone to supply one. You say you don't know where it goes and that it might not be anything. What is present at the close is a plain statement: you are always searching, you hope you find what you're seeking, you know you haven't, you don't feel fulfilled, and you want to. You say it flat, without appeal, and end there.

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